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кадет опять хуевеет

бтв по сабжу с первой попытки сделал бистом 7лвл +1.5к за 10мин

так что если потренить то не так уж и сложно

бристлом самый гемор, хз, почему

бристлом самый гемор, хз, почему

Имхо сложнее всего рики

имхо ввиду чрезмерной хуёвости кадета надо ввести статус архихуёвого юзера

или чо то в этом раде. Он намного хуёвее бальтазавра или там ещё кого нить.

имхо лес чтобы срать в нём в дороге

бля чо та там никуя не кочаюццо репы(

кадет=багишь? :o

URSA >>> all  в лесу о_о

Запостите пожалуйста!!!!!

дота переезжает в лес

Зы тема хорошая, афтор просто молодец, +1 Имхо

Тебя не подзаебало такое писать везде?  :Oo:

UPDATE FOR 6.48b:

Due to the nerd of bottle, version 6.48b seem to void the records of my strats. Nah, better yet, 6.48b provides even a better jungling technique. The technique that based on the buff of flying courier (love the express-air-delivery service will ya =)?).
 
Flying courier now costs only 200 gold for recipe instead of 700 gold recipe+boot as in version 6.43b.
Make use of this and with a good micro skill, you can jungling with practically ANY heroes.
 
Watch to believe! In my first major update on this guide, I present you the brand new jungling technique that has zero dependence on runes, demonstrated by our beloved BB with 16 minutes level 10 + RELIC + Bottle!
 
One note is that, you team has to spend 200 gold more for the flying courier recipe for you. The flying courier can easily give you a full (not 2/3) bottle every minute (not every 2 minutes like runes) and your team mates (roaming heroes) can use the rune. So, its totally worth to buy.
 
Flying courier info:

• Cost 425 gold to build (225 for normal courier + 200 for recipe).
  
• Can "Burst" to increase flying speed.
  
• Can cast "Courier shield" to be temporarily invulnerable -> it cant be killed if you do it right!
  
• Immunity to spells - best ever! Make it not easy to kill early game when hero dmg isnt high yet.
  

FRONT SHOW:

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Version 6.48b: (NEW update)

Brand new jungling concept without relying on runes. Can be applied for other heroes.

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Version 6.43b:

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So,

• Do you prefer some challenges from the jungle for greater reward when jungling than boring traditional way?
  
• Do you want to be the fastest lvl 6 beastmaster in your clan?
  
• Do you want to start farming the insane BB with lvl 6 bottle and 1200 gold? (haxxor!)
  
• Do you want to be the number one pusher with exceptional $$?
  

The 3Bs are there awaiting your command!

Bristleback, Beastmaster and Broodmother

The jungle masters 3Bs

 

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by MountainWolf aka B|MW

Written for recent stable map version 6.43b

FOREWORDS

• This guide is made dedicated to jungling fans and those who requested after watching my jungling vids of the 3Bs.
  
• This is not a normal hero guide because it wont cover deeply the gameplay walkthru part.
  
• This is considered an advance gameplay (jungling) guide for specific heroes that are insane to practice that gameplay.
  
• This guide is mainly a video clips guide which is quite a new way for writing guide. You may find it a bit strange to digest but I believe instead of wordy presentation, you would prefer watching the clips with cool music and ingame step-by-step instructions. Be sure to read up for detail elaboration ONLY after watching the relevant vids or you can hardly understand what is being written.
  
• If you are an anti-jungling or have not yet understood why jungling is hot, I suggest you read Ironfisto's Jungling Guide before posting because I wont support to those questions that are already answered or too common.
  

TABLE OF CONTENT

 

I. Intro

 

II. Important facts for jungling

 

III. Disclaimer

 

IV. Bristelback Rigwarl

 

V. Beastmaster Rexxar

 

VI. Broodmother Arachnia

 

VII. Live game problems and counters

A. Ganking problem

 

B. Ward problem

 

C. Rune problem

 

D. Neutral creeps problem

VIII. Gameplay walkthrough highlight

 

IX. FAQ

 

X. Replays

 

XI. Last words

 

XII. Credit

I. INTRO

 

There are many other popular jungling heroes like ol Furion, ol Chen, young TB, ect. However, I choose these 3 for their unique ability to jungling insanely.

1-Bristleback:

His insane jungling is plainly and simply based on the reason why he has been banned in most games - his insane quillspray. I managed to make full use of this insaneness and scored him lvl 6 + bottle + 1200 gold in around 8:00

 

2-Beastmaster:

his jungling effectiveness measurement is based on how fast he can get his ultimate up (or lvl 6 in short) (why? for ganking ofcoz). I managed to score him lvl 6+ bottle + 1200 gold at 7:26 game time.

 

3-Broodmother:

Her jungling effectiveness measurement is based on how fast she can farm in comparison to a lane soloer (why? to maximize pushing power). I managed to score her lvl 10 + a relic + RoB in 16:00. However, this guide wont elaborate on a fat farmed power house brood but a team play brood.

If those numbers are interesting for you then read on :).

Otherwise, I believe you need to watch more high lvl replays (MYM's, TFL's, ect) and read more guide regarding jungling because those numbers are absolutely insane.

II. IMPORTANT FACTS FOR JUNGLING

• In an -ap game, neutral creeps spawn at the 2:00min while lane creeps spawns at 1:30
  
• In a -lm, -xl game, neutral creeps spawn at the 5:00min while lane creeps spawn at 4:00min.
  
• Neutral creeps respawn interval is every minute mark (ie. 8:00, 9:00, 10:00).
  
• Trees respawn interval is every 5 minutes (5:00, 10:00, 15:00).
  
• They will not spawn if there are existing creeps, sentry/observer wards (common strategy to counter junglers), corpses in the respawn checking areas.
   
  http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9363/bothxd1.jpg
  _________________________Respawn check areas of the 2 forests________________________
  
• Dead unit bodies decay after 2s, their corpse disappear 12s after that. So make sure you finish off a camp latest 15s b4 respawn time.
  

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III. DISCLAIMER:

1-

These vids are to show the special jungling tactic by step-by-step instructions. Therefore, they were made with AI, not live games. This is to avoid unwanted situations that prevent a clear presentation. Live game replays will be uploaded once I found ones that are worthy to waste your time watching.

 

2-

In the replays, I typed -gold 225 and -gold 300 for chicken and 1st set of ward since I assume your teammates like veno, zeus, pugna, vs would get those for your team, not you. (simulating draft matches, not pub games where each does his own stuff).

 

3-

For each of those heroes, the guide will stop at the point where his/her jungling period is ended. I wont go into too deep in gameplay walkthru, skill build and item build. Thats the point of this guide - jungling only and jungling the insane way, not a heroes guide. Everyone should know what to do with such a good start after that. In short: Rexxar = ganker, Brood = pusher, BB = carry.

IV. BRISTLEBACK RIGWARL: Scourge and Sentinel sides demo

 

A. Money and XP income mathcraft:

• 1 wave of early creeps (3 melee + 1 range) ~ 227 xp + 172 gold.
  
  
• Heroes need 2k xp to be lvl 6.
  
  
• At 8:00 game time, 13 creep waves were spawned ~ 2951 xp + 2326 gold
  
  

==> A PERFECT lane solo hero who can score ALL creep kills will be lvl 6 and earn 2326 after 8 minutes.

But of course its expected that creeps would be denied.

 

B. Guide Vids:

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If you havent watched the vids above, you can hardly understand anything bellow. The vids are the main guides, those are detail elaboration.

 

C. Skill build:

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D. Skill build explanation:

This skill build has only 1 abnormal point: why not max bb but replace it with 2 stats. The reason is quite simple, you dont need the dmg reduction while neutraling but you need the extra spray when you receive 200 dmg. Therefore, 1 lvl of it is to ensure that spray gonna coming out more often.

 

E. Item build:

my suggestion

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Since you dont need to hood for lane staying, it would not be needed unless u need to increase more spell tanking capability (opponent has heavy aoe or nukers like lina). Swap the bottle for it.

 

F. Key points to succeed with this strat:

• Rune controlling (your team gotta be good at this, kind of similar to ward war).
  
  
• Using tango to open the bottom camp to pull westward.
  
  
• For sentinel side., killing the noob camp while standing on slope to make the range trolls miss some of their attacks. For scourge side, practice to pull only 2 ally creeps to help the gnoll camp to make sure u can score the last hit or u wont have enuf money for bottle.
  
  
• Gank awareness, time awareness (respawn time and pull timing).
  
  

G. Gameplay tip:

go back to lane after this 8 minutes with bottle and 1200 (should spend on hood component items)

V. BEASTMASTER REXXAR: Scourge side demo: 7:26 lvl 6 + bottle + 1200 gold

 

A. Some thought:

• I even surprised myself with this. Imaging you can start ganking since the lane soloer still has NOT reached lvl 6 yet!
  
  
• So far, a skilled Rexxar reaches lvl 6 in 11-12'.
  
  
• This is like 4' earlier, which means 4 more extremely early ganking possible (roar cd in 60s).
  
  
• Follow this strat, even you did worse, you can still reach lvl 6 around 8-9'. And consume ONLY 2 runes for this!
  
  

B. Guide Vid:

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D. Skill build:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2407/bmskillbuildpn6.jpg

 

E. Skill build explanation:

This skill build has only 1 abnormal point: why not get lvl 3 summon for the invi hawk but axes 3? Well, your priority goal in this strat is an extreme race to lvl 6. Get 1 gank done and you should be closed to lvl 7 which is when you get lvl 3 summon over lvl 4 axes.

 

F. Item build:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2647/bmitembuildvp3.jpg

 

upgrade boot to bot after that. This item build is conventional for a ganking Rexxar.

 

G. Key points to succeed with this strat:

• Rune controlling (your team gotta be good at this, kind of similar to ward war).
  
  
• Pulling 2 camps towards river so the creeps are out of respawn checking areas
  
  
   
  
  
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• The gnoll camp pulling technique (and make sure u score the last hit or u wont have enough money for bottle)
  
  
• Axes aiming mastering (longest range they can reach and longest distant to acquire XP - 1k range)
  
  
• Gank awareness, time awareness (respawn time and pull timing).
  
  

VI. BROODMOTHER ARACHNIA: Scourge side demo

A. Some XP and Gold mathcraft:

• After 16', brood acquire 5400xp (lvl 10) and 3800 gold.
  
  
• This roundly equal to 24 lane creep waves being killed with 0 denied.
  
  

==> Brood earned closed to a PERFECT lane soloer. Or, same or even more than a usual soloer who score 12-13 creeps every minute (2 waves).

• B. Reason behind this fast jungling:
  • Brood killing with her nuke and spiderlings wont leave corpses, means next spawn is easy to has every minute mark.
    
  • Brood's web destroy tree -> create shortcut path for faster camps moving around.
    
  • Brood does not rely on runes, in fact, she only need Ring of Basilus for the whole process! No hp regen item needed.
    

C. Why brood? such a rare pick in matches

Most ppl underestimate brood. Just pick her 2 team abilities - insane pushing + insane jungling WITHOUT rely on items is enough to claim her a good pick imho (watch iceiceice's brood in Korea vs Singapore MYM Prime Nation playday #2 and tell yourself!).

D. Guide Vid:

Some typo correction in the vid:

• At 00:39: ignore "SPRAY!" in the "SPRAY! and start pulling" >.<. I used the old bare bone from BB vid thats why.
  
• At 02:25: change "away" to "a way" in "we can set up away to kill 3 camps that fast"
  
• At 04:04: change "reply" to "rely"
  

F. Skill build:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6838/broodskillbuildnu8.jpg

G. Skill build explanation: 1 web to destroy the tree and open a shortcut path to the upper camp while bite is a handy orb causing target miss attacks. Bite isnt really useful until you got dagger to chase fleeing heroes.

H. Item build: 2 different builds, one is a pusher, disabler, healer build and one is a carry build.

• Slow Atk. Speed -> cant fully maximize the use life drain ultimate -> require Atk. Speed boost items.
  
  
• Melee DPS require anti-disable -> BKB needed (just like sven).
  
  
• Low hp melee DPS (shes an agil, unlike sven) -> Require HP boost like HoT.
  
  

I. Key points to succeed with this strat:

• Finish camp killing and get out of respawn checking area every minute.
  
• Microing spiders to share equal dmg from neutral creeps. Especially when facing centaur, send 3 spiderlings in advance to make him use his stun b4 swarming all in.
  
• Gank awareness, time awareness (respawn time and pull timing).
  

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VII. LIVE GAME PROBLEMS AND COUNTERS

• This is the fate of all junglers. We should NOT expect to be forgotten by opponent.
  
  
• Counter: your team need to light up the river with wards to avoid the incoming ganking.
  
  
• Tip: Normally, there will only 1 roamer early game ganking u. With the advantage of ward seeing the incoming enemy, I suggest you and your teammates set up the counter gank to scare the bugger away from your forest as well as hammering his roaming process.
  
  

• This is the common strategy to counter junglers. Opponent puts ward in the respawn checking area of your neutral camps, they wont respawn and you are screw up.
  
  
• Counter: either try to kill him/her b4 the ward is planted (but this is hardly possible in time, even with the observer ward there showing you his intention in advance) or using sentry. However, using sentry can be a double edge if you dont place the sentry correctly. See the pic below for proper sentry spots. They are the most optimize positions that are out of the respawn checking areas.
  
  

1. Enemy picks up runes b4 you.
   
   
   Rune controlling has become a big part of the game, just like ward war, especially when bottle potential is recognized. Therefore, do not say that "they got there first, Im so unlucky". Have your team take rune controlling seriously. Set up proper rune hunting, especially during your jungling key rune requirement (Beastmaster in this guide needs the 2 runes at 4:00 and 6:00).

   
   

2. Runes dont always spawn at your forest side.
   
   
   Out of 2 times you have [1 - (1 - 0.5) x (1-0.5) ] x 100% = 75% chance that 1 rune will spawn at your side. Fair enough, shouldnt expect life to be so easy right :)?

   
   

• If the trolls spawns, you may have problem pulling them for a new respawn since the troll priest stands still healing his ally.
  
  
  -> Solution: kill off the troll priest from the stack and pull normally. Alternatively, since axes do 180 dmg, the troll will heal his ally b4 him which makes him follow them out of the camp, need good timing so that his last healing position right before respawn time is out of the respawn checking area.
  
  
• If the kobolds spawn, your axes may kill the small ones and thus leave corpses that prevent the next respawn.
  
  
  -> Solution: If they spawn at the uphill camp, have no worry because you wont use axes to pull this camp. However, if they spawn at the top camp, you have to kill those little one off before pulling.
  
  

VIII. GAMEPLAY WALKTHROUGH HIGHLIGHT

As I mentioned earlier, the main part of this guide is jungling. Therefore, for the mid/late game walkthrough, I will only focus on important highlights:

• Key success: as a rice farmer, perfectionalize your last hit so that you are not gonna just be a naked pig :).[/indent][/indent]
  

• If there is no creep deny from enemy, 6:30 or less.
  
  
• If there is moderate deny (face douple lane), around 8:00.
  
  
• If there is heavy deny (face a trilane), 9:00 more or less depend on skill of both sides.
  
  

• New junglers may found this a bit tricky. But this just needs practice, not talent.
  
  

• Allow 3 soloers in your team, including you in the forest (the 4th lane) -> more xp/gold for your team overall.
  
  
• No deny suffering, you vs creeps only, not a live player -> more xp/gold for you.
  
  
• Closer to runes -> better rune controlling.
  
  
• Ganking easier since you always hidden from the mini map during your jungling.
  
  

• Flying courier is buffed in version 6.48b. Making it costs only 200 for the recipe, no boot required.
  
  

X. REPLAYS

XI. LAST WORDS

1. Pressure -> causing fail pulls.
   
   
2. Opponent sure will try to gank and ward you - cause delay.
   
   

XII. CREDITS

- Thanks Ironfisto for his neutral respawn checking areas.

- Thanks Virot2's tinker guide, Beast_Pete and MasterJoe's Chen guide for their layout.

- Thanks Beast_Pete for the 1st Brood live game replay.

Edit: updated a brand new strat for 6.48b and changed back to default font type.

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