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[Drainbead]

Абясните, как работает судейство в этой хуйне, и почему татарка везёт второму месту (с падением, но энивей) 40 баллов, что почти эквивалентно тройной базовой стоимости самого дорогого элемента в программах (каскад через ойлер вроде).

 

Нахуя вообще на лёд выходить, в ожидании, что Камила трижды пизданется? Вкусно.

[Винтер]

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[JetG]

Drainbead написал 9 часов назад:

Абясните, как работает судейство в этой хуйне, и почему татарка везёт второму месту (с падением, но энивей) 40 баллов, что почти эквивалентно тройной базовой стоимости самого дорогого элемента в программах (каскад через ойлер вроде).

 

Нахуя вообще на лёд выходить, в ожидании, что Камила трижды пизданется? Вкусно.

SP:
https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

FS:

https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/kamila_valieva/
https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

Можно  сделать пересчёт с адекватными оценками:

SP:
https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

FS:

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

При пересчёте посчитать буллеты (for Grade of execution upgrades and downgrades) можно тут:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/fs_rules_rus_09_07_20.pdf

 

И база за элементы + общее впечатление + штрафы:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Судейская_система_ИСУ

 

Надеюсь, помог. Если что, спрашивай, я постараюсь ответить.
Могу помочь пересчитать даже. Посмотрим на отклонение (не среднеквадратичное).

P.S. Вопреки распространённому мнению, компоненты ставятся (по крайней мере, должны ставиться) не за то, кто какую малолетку хочет выебать, а за следующее:
 

 

  Дохуя текста

          Program Component Scores (PCS)

   The five program component scores are Skating skills, Transitions, Performance, Composition, and Interpretation. Each mark has individual characteristics that are evaluated; they are scored from 0.25 to 10.00 in quarter-point increments. The scale from zero to ten is an absolute scale, so for example if 6.00 is considered "above average" then each judge’s understanding of a 6.00 should remain the same throughout an event and their judging careers.

 - Skating skills: This mark assesses the skater's command of the blade over the ice, including the ability to skate with power and ease, forwards and backwards, clockwise and counter-clockwise. How acute is the skater's blade to the ice? How clean and clear are the curves over the ice (known as edge quality)? Skating skills are considered to be excellent if the skater moves quickly and easily, and flows over the ice with soft knees and ankles; but they are judged to be poor if the skating is scratchy and noisy, with the skater pushing from their toes rather than from the sides of the blades.

 - Transitions: This mark evaluates all of the "in between" skating when technical elements are not being performed, i.e. whether the skater is merely skating in circles, or incorporating different turns and steps, perhaps also using their arms. A program with good transitions manages to "thread" all the elements together, making the skater's program seem effortless. Poor transitions are sometimes non-existent or merely places between the technical elements with a precise "stopping" point where the skater begins to prepare for the next element.

Performance: This is where the scores start to become slightly more abstract and largely based on the judges' individual opinions. Is the skater physically, emotionally, and mentally involved in their program? Does the skater project to the entire audience and arena? Does the skater have presence on the ice with good carriage? Do they project their own personality while skating?

 - Composition: This mark is concerned with the pattern and spacing over the ice, i.e. how the technical elements are placed throughout the ice surface. Does the skater always skate in the same part of the ice or are they making use of the entire area given to them? Is there a purpose to the way the program is constructed? Maybe their performance is designed to convey an abstract idea like rain or snow; or it might be about a particular story, e.g. when performing to a movie soundtrack or ballet. Does the movement in the program match the phrasing of the music? Perhaps there is meant to be a traditional musical "call and answer" or something more abstract.

Interpretation: This score reflects how well the judges feel that the skater is performing with their "soul" (whereas the Composition score is more about the choreography). Does the skater move in time to the music, or are all the movements just off by a beat or two? Does the skater reflect every little trill and ding with a corresponding skating move?[7]

           Computation of scores

       The judging panel consists of up to nine judges and one referee. The Technical Panel sends the element codes to the judges' computers for marking. For each element, all of the judges award a mark for Grade of Execution (GOE) that is an integer between –5 and +5. The GOE mark is then translated into a value using the Scale of Value (SOV) table which is published regularly by ISU Communications.[8] The GOE values from the nine judges are averaged using the "trimmed mean" procedure, where the highest and lowest values are discarded and an average is calculated from the remaining seven values.[8] This average value (which may be positive or negative) is finally added to the base value to produce the judging panel's overall score for the element.

       Judges also mark the Program Components, which are: Skating Skills; Transitions/Linking Footwork; Performance and Execution; Composition and Choreography; and Interpretation and Timing. These Components are marked on a scale of 0.25–10 with 0.25 increments and averaged using the same "trimmed mean" procedure that was used for averaging the GOE marks. Judges also have the power to input majority deductions such as Music Violations and Costume/Prop Violations. The Referee inputs other deductions such as Time Violations, Interruption in Excess and Costume Failures.

 

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[nakain]

Шок! Фигуристка которая умеет говорить 

[JetG]

 

nakain написал 55 минут назад:

Шок! Фигуристка которая умеет говорить 

Туше.

Изменено 27 декабря 2021 пользователем JetG

[Drainbead]

JetG написал 4 часа назад:

Drainbead написал 13 часов назад:

Абясните, как работает судейство в этой хуйне, и почему татарка везёт второму месту (с падением, но энивей) 40 баллов, что почти эквивалентно тройной базовой стоимости самого дорогого элемента в программах (каскад через ойлер вроде).

 

Нахуя вообще на лёд выходить, в ожидании, что Камила трижды пизданется? Вкусно.

SP:
https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

FS:

https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/kamila_valieva/
https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

Можно  сделать пересчёт с адекватными оценками:

SP:
https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

FS:

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

При пересчёте посчитать буллеты (for Grade of execution upgrades and downgrades) можно тут:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/fs_rules_rus_09_07_20.pdf

 

И база за элементы + общее впечатление + штрафы:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Судейская_система_ИСУ

 

Надеюсь, помог. Если что, спрашивай, я постараюсь ответить.
Могу помочь пересчитать даже. Посмотрим на отклонение (не среднеквадратичное).

P.S. Вопреки распространённому мнению, компоненты ставятся (по крайней мере, должны ставиться) не за то, кто какую малолетку хочет выебать, а за следующее:
 

 

  Дохуя текста

          Program Component Scores (PCS)

   The five program component scores are Skating skills, Transitions, Performance, Composition, and Interpretation. Each mark has individual characteristics that are evaluated; they are scored from 0.25 to 10.00 in quarter-point increments. The scale from zero to ten is an absolute scale, so for example if 6.00 is considered "above average" then each judge’s understanding of a 6.00 should remain the same throughout an event and their judging careers.

 - Skating skills: This mark assesses the skater's command of the blade over the ice, including the ability to skate with power and ease, forwards and backwards, clockwise and counter-clockwise. How acute is the skater's blade to the ice? How clean and clear are the curves over the ice (known as edge quality)? Skating skills are considered to be excellent if the skater moves quickly and easily, and flows over the ice with soft knees and ankles; but they are judged to be poor if the skating is scratchy and noisy, with the skater pushing from their toes rather than from the sides of the blades.

 - Transitions: This mark evaluates all of the "in between" skating when technical elements are not being performed, i.e. whether the skater is merely skating in circles, or incorporating different turns and steps, perhaps also using their arms. A program with good transitions manages to "thread" all the elements together, making the skater's program seem effortless. Poor transitions are sometimes non-existent or merely places between the technical elements with a precise "stopping" point where the skater begins to prepare for the next element.

Performance: This is where the scores start to become slightly more abstract and largely based on the judges' individual opinions. Is the skater physically, emotionally, and mentally involved in their program? Does the skater project to the entire audience and arena? Does the skater have presence on the ice with good carriage? Do they project their own personality while skating?

 - Composition: This mark is concerned with the pattern and spacing over the ice, i.e. how the technical elements are placed throughout the ice surface. Does the skater always skate in the same part of the ice or are they making use of the entire area given to them? Is there a purpose to the way the program is constructed? Maybe their performance is designed to convey an abstract idea like rain or snow; or it might be about a particular story, e.g. when performing to a movie soundtrack or ballet. Does the movement in the program match the phrasing of the music? Perhaps there is meant to be a traditional musical "call and answer" or something more abstract.

Interpretation: This score reflects how well the judges feel that the skater is performing with their "soul" (whereas the Composition score is more about the choreography). Does the skater move in time to the music, or are all the movements just off by a beat or two? Does the skater reflect every little trill and ding with a corresponding skating move?[7]

           Computation of scores

       The judging panel consists of up to nine judges and one referee. The Technical Panel sends the element codes to the judges' computers for marking. For each element, all of the judges award a mark for Grade of Execution (GOE) that is an integer between –5 and +5. The GOE mark is then translated into a value using the Scale of Value (SOV) table which is published regularly by ISU Communications.[8] The GOE values from the nine judges are averaged using the "trimmed mean" procedure, where the highest and lowest values are discarded and an average is calculated from the remaining seven values.[8] This average value (which may be positive or negative) is finally added to the base value to produce the judging panel's overall score for the element.

       Judges also mark the Program Components, which are: Skating Skills; Transitions/Linking Footwork; Performance and Execution; Composition and Choreography; and Interpretation and Timing. These Components are marked on a scale of 0.25–10 with 0.25 increments and averaged using the same "trimmed mean" procedure that was used for averaging the GOE marks. Judges also have the power to input majority deductions such as Music Violations and Costume/Prop Violations. The Referee inputs other deductions such as Time Violations, Interruption in Excess and Costume Failures.

 

 

Бля ты сильно переоценил мои стремления разобраться в сабже, мне бы как-то по-бытовому, по-простому. Но мб кому-то эта инфа пригодится, лайк за старания.

[JetG]

Drainbead написал 20 минут назад:

JetG написал 4 часа назад:

Drainbead написал 14 часов назад:

Абясните, как работает судейство в этой хуйне, и почему татарка везёт второму месту (с падением, но энивей) 40 баллов, что почти эквивалентно тройной базовой стоимости самого дорогого элемента в программах (каскад через ойлер вроде).

 

Нахуя вообще на лёд выходить, в ожидании, что Камила трижды пизданется? Вкусно.

SP:
https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

FS:

https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/kamila_valieva/
https://skatingscores.com/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

Можно  сделать пересчёт с адекватными оценками:

SP:
https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/short/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

FS:

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/kamila_valieva/

https://skatingscores.com/re/2122/natrus/women/long/rus/alexandra_trusova/

 

При пересчёте посчитать буллеты (for Grade of execution upgrades and downgrades) можно тут:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/fs_rules_rus_09_07_20.pdf

 

И база за элементы + общее впечатление + штрафы:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Судейская_система_ИСУ

 

Надеюсь, помог. Если что, спрашивай, я постараюсь ответить.
Могу помочь пересчитать даже. Посмотрим на отклонение (не среднеквадратичное).

P.S. Вопреки распространённому мнению, компоненты ставятся (по крайней мере, должны ставиться) не за то, кто какую малолетку хочет выебать, а за следующее:
 

 

  Дохуя текста

          Program Component Scores (PCS)

   The five program component scores are Skating skills, Transitions, Performance, Composition, and Interpretation. Each mark has individual characteristics that are evaluated; they are scored from 0.25 to 10.00 in quarter-point increments. The scale from zero to ten is an absolute scale, so for example if 6.00 is considered "above average" then each judge’s understanding of a 6.00 should remain the same throughout an event and their judging careers.

 - Skating skills: This mark assesses the skater's command of the blade over the ice, including the ability to skate with power and ease, forwards and backwards, clockwise and counter-clockwise. How acute is the skater's blade to the ice? How clean and clear are the curves over the ice (known as edge quality)? Skating skills are considered to be excellent if the skater moves quickly and easily, and flows over the ice with soft knees and ankles; but they are judged to be poor if the skating is scratchy and noisy, with the skater pushing from their toes rather than from the sides of the blades.

 - Transitions: This mark evaluates all of the "in between" skating when technical elements are not being performed, i.e. whether the skater is merely skating in circles, or incorporating different turns and steps, perhaps also using their arms. A program with good transitions manages to "thread" all the elements together, making the skater's program seem effortless. Poor transitions are sometimes non-existent or merely places between the technical elements with a precise "stopping" point where the skater begins to prepare for the next element.

Performance: This is where the scores start to become slightly more abstract and largely based on the judges' individual opinions. Is the skater physically, emotionally, and mentally involved in their program? Does the skater project to the entire audience and arena? Does the skater have presence on the ice with good carriage? Do they project their own personality while skating?

 - Composition: This mark is concerned with the pattern and spacing over the ice, i.e. how the technical elements are placed throughout the ice surface. Does the skater always skate in the same part of the ice or are they making use of the entire area given to them? Is there a purpose to the way the program is constructed? Maybe their performance is designed to convey an abstract idea like rain or snow; or it might be about a particular story, e.g. when performing to a movie soundtrack or ballet. Does the movement in the program match the phrasing of the music? Perhaps there is meant to be a traditional musical "call and answer" or something more abstract.

Interpretation: This score reflects how well the judges feel that the skater is performing with their "soul" (whereas the Composition score is more about the choreography). Does the skater move in time to the music, or are all the movements just off by a beat or two? Does the skater reflect every little trill and ding with a corresponding skating move?[7]

           Computation of scores

       The judging panel consists of up to nine judges and one referee. The Technical Panel sends the element codes to the judges' computers for marking. For each element, all of the judges award a mark for Grade of Execution (GOE) that is an integer between –5 and +5. The GOE mark is then translated into a value using the Scale of Value (SOV) table which is published regularly by ISU Communications.[8] The GOE values from the nine judges are averaged using the "trimmed mean" procedure, where the highest and lowest values are discarded and an average is calculated from the remaining seven values.[8] This average value (which may be positive or negative) is finally added to the base value to produce the judging panel's overall score for the element.

       Judges also mark the Program Components, which are: Skating Skills; Transitions/Linking Footwork; Performance and Execution; Composition and Choreography; and Interpretation and Timing. These Components are marked on a scale of 0.25–10 with 0.25 increments and averaged using the same "trimmed mean" procedure that was used for averaging the GOE marks. Judges also have the power to input majority deductions such as Music Violations and Costume/Prop Violations. The Referee inputs other deductions such as Time Violations, Interruption in Excess and Costume Failures.

 

 

Бля ты сильно переоценил мои стремления разобраться в сабже, мне бы как-то по-бытовому, по-простому. Но мб кому-то эта инфа пригодится, лайк за старания.

Кратко говоря, Камила должна опережать Сашу не на 40 баллов, а на 25-30.

Потому что за две практически идеально откатанные программы добавляют 5-10 баллов "грибов" ввиду целостности, эстетичности, и общего впечатления от программы, а за два падения в двух программах отнимают столько же (по тем же причинам), и фактически -2 балла дедакшенов за 2 падения.
Итого: ((5+10)/2) + ((5+10)/2) - 2 = 13.
40 -13 = 27.

Если Саша катает 3А в КП и 4-5 квадов + 3А в ПП, при этом ей судьи рисуют 9.25+ компов хотя бы в трёх категориях, она может обойти чистую Камилу.
Иначе пусть ставит такую же техническую базу, но катает со связками, без заходов на прыжок по 2+ секунды и с хореографией, чтобы получать 9.5+ за компы, что, в случае Саши, маловероятно. Она, как правило, берёт техбазой 100+.

Изменено 27 декабря 2021 пользователем JetG

[JetG]

Этери ещё и Брэди сломала теперь, вот сучара... 

Изменено 1 января 2022 пользователем JetG

[JetG]

Ещё вам похавать принёс.

 

[Илюшенька]

Да там все забито уже в компы по сценарию Тутберидзе, не выдумывай 

[JetG]

https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/matchtvnews_NI1464965_Chetvernyje_otnimajut_krasotu_figurnogo_katanija_Sergej_Davydov__o_sostave_na_Olimpiadu_i_sravnenijah_s_Tutberidze

Давыдов-то, топ челик, оказывается.

[JetG]

 

Здарова заебали.

[SinteZ]

Хромых новиопка

[JetG]

@Этери_Тутберидзе мож хватит ломать своих девчонок? 

 

[SinteZ]

Хочется Адель

[Илюшенька]

Когда-нибудь Саша приземлит аксель, когда-нибудь 

Аня  тренеры клоуны конечно, не надо ставить каскад последним прыжком, вообще нет места для ошибки, теряется просто тьма баллов из-за этого

Сезон одной спортсменки, как всегда гениально 

Изменено 13 января 2022 пользователем Илюшенька

[Илюшенька]

Луна

[JetG]

Илюшенька написал 1 час назад:

 

Аня  тренеры клоуны конечно, не надо ставить каскад последним прыжком, вообще нет места для ошибки, теряется просто тьма баллов из-за этого

 

Каскады ставят последними для бонусной зоны во второй половине (+10%).

 

 

Послезавтра жду камбек Ани бтв. 

Алсо Камила как всегда, некст левел, и между ней и другими участницами пропасть на данный момент. 

Изменено 13 января 2022 пользователем JetG

[Винтер]

Стыд и срам что Щербакова поедет на ОИ

[JetG]

Винтер написал 1 час назад:

Стыд и срам что Щербакова поедет на ОИ

Если произволку послезавтра развалит, поедет Туктамышева.

Если камбекнет, то поедет Аня.

Думаю, такой расклад.