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Wondervicce · 6 ноября 2016

сам высосал эту теория из пальца, сам опроверг

вообще-то так мир и устроен

Kaktys · 6 ноября 2016

пудинг пиздит

Что-то не так во всей этой арке относительно бм и её команды. Мне кажется имеет место быть месть бм луффи. Зеркала ещё эти... Какой то подвох в этом всём.

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xeter · 6 ноября 2016

пудинг пиздит
Что-то не так во всей этой арке относительно бм и её команды. Мне кажется имеет место быть месть бм луффи. Зеркала ещё эти... Какой то подвох в этом всём.

Анализ диалога Пуддинг с Санджи с реддита

ANALYSIS ON PUDDING'S COMMENTS:

Pudding: "Please forgive me, I was unable to keep my promise with the SH's"

Fact-checking time. From previous chapters we can see that she indeed looked troubled when she was forced to try on dresses, and she even says that she has somewhere urgent to be.

Pudding: "It's my fault they are in this trouble right now"

Correct. She is not hiding anything and is telling Sanji the direct truth.

Sanji: "It doesn't matter, I would not have gone anyway"

So basically even if her intent was good or bad, the situation would remain the same. Sanji has resolved to tackle this problem alone.

Pudding: "If I took all the blame for you, everything would've worked out!"

Correct. Again she is not hiding anything, she is telling Sanji that if she helped him escape before the wrist cuffs were put on, then she would have taken the blame there. But Oda confirms through Sanji, that it would not have happened anyway.

Sanji: "If we want the key, we have to defeat BM and her crew'

Correct, Sanji knows the only way out of this situation (barring a miracle) is to defeat the source of all his problems, Big Mom and her crew.

Pudding: "It can't be...has Mama begun her move?!"

This is the ringer folks. Pudding was unaware of the fact that Big Mom had already begun her threat of Zeff and the others. So no matter what she could do, there is no way she can save Sanji at this point from the situation he's in. If she helped him escape, then Zeff dies, as simple as that.

Sanji: "I've carefully weighed my options, there's no place for me to run.....I decided to go with the flow"

In case ya didn't know already , this is Sanji throwing in the towel and saying I give up!

Sanji: "I wanted Big Mom to let my friends off the hook, but instead they're out there trying to destroy them"

And what is Sanji doing while his friends are being destroyed? He's sitting down and sulking at the fact. This further proves that Sanji has hit rock bottom and is giving up on everything.

Pudding: "I'm so sorry! My own mother....as put all of you in this precarious situation"

Yep correct again. Once again, nothing to hide, crocodile tears or not, she is telling the truth and reacting to what Sanji just told her.

Sanji: "No there's no need for you to apologize! None of this is on you Pudding!"

Oh, why thank you Sanji, thanks for clarifying that for us. Now let's all pretend this panel didn't exist. By examining the situation and from what we know thus far we can ascertain this claim to be true. None of this is Pudding's fault, not her map, not her broken promise, not her mysterious third eye. None of it. Because Sanji had his own gameplan from the start and it just didn't work out

Sanji: "...My only wish is to disappear from all their lives without getting them hurt...My adventure must end here!"

Further confirmation Sanji is putting the lives of his friends at a higher plateau and sacrificing himself for that purpose. This again confirms he is basically tapping out and in absolute despair. He is back to hell basically.

cue to a crying Pudding who is witnessing his complete breakdown

Pudding: "I won't let this marriage of ours turn into a hell for you!"

After seeing how emotionless and lifeless Sanji appeared to her and how he breaks down how and why he thinks he is back to absolute hell, a crying Pudding tries to reassure him that she will do her best to save him from that "hell". Mind you, Pudding has been shown and said to be in love with Sanji. What in the world could an evil Pudding have meant with those words? I am going to trap/trick you into marriage? Too bad, your mom already beat you to it evil Pudding.

Pudding: "I shouldn't have been so presumptuous........I'm overstepping my boundaries"

Correct again, this is exactly what she did. She now believes that Sanji is indeed trapped and will have to go through with the marriage so her only way of "helping" him in this case, is to be a good wife and be loving. That is an assumption she made without consulting Sanji's feelings first, so it was definitely overstepping her boundaries.

Pudding: "I mean, we only met recently....no way I could fill in that big hole in your heart right now"

Note: Correct translation provided by @djiayebee. So indeed, she means they just met recently and not just today. This matches up with her previous statements that got all the "theorists" up in arms about. And once again, she is right there is no way she could fill in the huge hole in Sanji's heart. But why would she say this? An evil and "deceptive" Pudding would have used this opportunity to make it seem that she would try her best to fill that hole and that she'll do whatever he wants to please him.

Pudding: "And besides you've never uttered a single word about us marrying"

See @Corazonada's explanation behind these words. Again it is clarified through a better translation. https://orojackson.com/threads/one-piece-chapter-845-the-enraged-army.32038/page-50#post-1900468

Also thanks to @8787NO3Monet for clarifying this panel further: It's really important to note that in the raw scans Pudding doesn't say '' NEVER '', which implies that the first time they met Sanji said to her that he wanted to marry her but couldn't.

But she only referring to the current situation, not before. Pudding: "And here I am just assuming that...."

Yes thank you for telling us the one thing deceptive and tricky people should never do. People who want to deceive others should never tell the victim they were assuming they will act/do a certain way/thing. Deceivers should never say a word that they were assuming anything from the target they want to trick imo.

Sanji notices she is in love with him after seeing how much she genuinely cares about him and how much she wants to marry him

Sanji: "You are my only savior right now"

After what he said and was displaying, to him, yes, she is his only ray of hope in the deep trench that he is in emotionally

Sanji:"If you don't really mind it being me then..."

THIS is another ringer. This proves that everything Pudding did and said in this meeting allowed Sanji to notice that she indeed loves him and wants to marry him. She does not want to say it directly because she became aware of how bad and messed up his situation is.

Sanji: "Tomorrow, Lets do it lets get married"

No analysis needed. GG.

Now keep in mind the thunder clapping and tragic situation of Luffy waiting for a guy who (supposedly) will not come creates a very ominous atmosphere. Now this is highly probable to indicate that something will go very wrong at the wedding (which is pretty obvious at this point tbh).

It has no correlation with Pudding being evil imo, as I have shown. If anything it sets the darker mood in which Sanji is falling deeper and deeper into despair so much so that he gave up on his crew and life and accepts the wedding with Pudding, which he has adamantly refused before for the sake of the same guy facing death outside.

Oda is trying to convey the darkness that Sanji is falling into and how Pudding is his "escape". Not literally, but emotionally. It could very well be that Sanji promises to come back for her in the future at the end of this arc (aka Kaya), since Big Mom's defeat has been brought up.

As for the mysterious third eye? Well we know Big Mom likes her diversity of races, so it is not out of the question to think there is a "three-eyed" tribe that she had kids with. Pudding's third eye could be just that, a physical feature with no special trait or power. Just a "abnormality" in her facial structure. Whether the "three-eyed tribe" posses some kind of trait or special power from that additional eye remains to be seen.

Now I am not throwing out the possibility that the eye could hold a mysterious power, that has already been well speculated numerous times. I just thought that I'd bring in another realistic possibility to the table to ponder about while we wait for the next chapter.

John Doe · 6 ноября 2016

пудинг пиздит
Что-то не так во всей этой арке относительно бм и её команды. Мне кажется имеет место быть месть бм луффи. Зеркала ещё эти... Какой то подвох в этом всём.

думаю где-то в зазеркалье спрятан второй зоан паука для санджи

только от него бонусные ноги отрастают

Kaktys · 6 ноября 2016

пудинг пиздит
Что-то не так во всей этой арке относительно бм и её команды. Мне кажется имеет место быть месть бм луффи. Зеркала ещё эти... Какой то подвох в этом всём.

думаю где-то в зазеркалье спрятан второй зоан паука для санджи
только от него бонусные ноги отрастают

В чём смысл постоянно повторять мои же рофлы под моими постами? Ты чем то обижен и пытаешься как-то высмеять меня? Советую прекратить это делать.

пудинг пиздит
Что-то не так во всей этой арке относительно бм и её команды. Мне кажется имеет место быть месть бм луффи. Зеркала ещё эти... Какой то подвох в этом всём.
Анализ диалога Пуддинг с Санджи с реддита

ANALYSIS ON PUDDING'S COMMENTS:
Pudding: "Please forgive me, I was unable to keep my promise with the SH's"
Fact-checking time. From previous chapters we can see that she indeed looked troubled when she was forced to try on dresses, and she even says that she has somewhere urgent to be.
Pudding: "It's my fault they are in this trouble right now"
Correct. She is not hiding anything and is telling Sanji the direct truth.
Sanji: "It doesn't matter, I would not have gone anyway"
So basically even if her intent was good or bad, the situation would remain the same. Sanji has resolved to tackle this problem alone.
Pudding: "If I took all the blame for you, everything would've worked out!"
Correct. Again she is not hiding anything, she is telling Sanji that if she helped him escape before the wrist cuffs were put on, then she would have taken the blame there. But Oda confirms through Sanji, that it would not have happened anyway.
Sanji: "If we want the key, we have to defeat BM and her crew'
Correct, Sanji knows the only way out of this situation (barring a miracle) is to defeat the source of all his problems, Big Mom and her crew.
Pudding: "It can't be...has Mama begun her move?!"
This is the ringer folks. Pudding was unaware of the fact that Big Mom had already begun her threat of Zeff and the others. So no matter what she could do, there is no way she can save Sanji at this point from the situation he's in. If she helped him escape, then Zeff dies, as simple as that.
Sanji: "I've carefully weighed my options, there's no place for me to run.....I decided to go with the flow"
In case ya didn't know already , this is Sanji throwing in the towel and saying I give up!
Sanji: "I wanted Big Mom to let my friends off the hook, but instead they're out there trying to destroy them"
And what is Sanji doing while his friends are being destroyed? He's sitting down and sulking at the fact. This further proves that Sanji has hit rock bottom and is giving up on everything.
Pudding: "I'm so sorry! My own mother....as put all of you in this precarious situation"
Yep correct again. Once again, nothing to hide, crocodile tears or not, she is telling the truth and reacting to what Sanji just told her.
Sanji: "No there's no need for you to apologize! None of this is on you Pudding!"
Oh, why thank you Sanji, thanks for clarifying that for us. Now let's all pretend this panel didn't exist. By examining the situation and from what we know thus far we can ascertain this claim to be true. None of this is Pudding's fault, not her map, not her broken promise, not her mysterious third eye. None of it. Because Sanji had his own gameplan from the start and it just didn't work out
Sanji: "...My only wish is to disappear from all their lives without getting them hurt...My adventure must end here!"
Further confirmation Sanji is putting the lives of his friends at a higher plateau and sacrificing himself for that purpose. This again confirms he is basically tapping out and in absolute despair. He is back to hell basically.
cue to a crying Pudding who is witnessing his complete breakdown
Pudding: "I won't let this marriage of ours turn into a hell for you!"
After seeing how emotionless and lifeless Sanji appeared to her and how he breaks down how and why he thinks he is back to absolute hell, a crying Pudding tries to reassure him that she will do her best to save him from that "hell". Mind you, Pudding has been shown and said to be in love with Sanji. What in the world could an evil Pudding have meant with those words? I am going to trap/trick you into marriage? Too bad, your mom already beat you to it evil Pudding.
Pudding: "I shouldn't have been so presumptuous........I'm overstepping my boundaries"
Correct again, this is exactly what she did. She now believes that Sanji is indeed trapped and will have to go through with the marriage so her only way of "helping" him in this case, is to be a good wife and be loving. That is an assumption she made without consulting Sanji's feelings first, so it was definitely overstepping her boundaries.
Pudding: "I mean, we only met recently....no way I could fill in that big hole in your heart right now"
Note: Correct translation provided by @djiayebee. So indeed, she means they just met recently and not just today. This matches up with her previous statements that got all the "theorists" up in arms about. And once again, she is right there is no way she could fill in the huge hole in Sanji's heart. But why would she say this? An evil and "deceptive" Pudding would have used this opportunity to make it seem that she would try her best to fill that hole and that she'll do whatever he wants to please him.
Pudding: "And besides you've never uttered a single word about us marrying"
See @Corazonada's explanation behind these words. Again it is clarified through a better translation. https://orojackson.com/threads/one-piece-chapter-845-the-enraged-army.32038/page-50#post-1900468
Also thanks to @8787NO3Monet for clarifying this panel further: It's really important to note that in the raw scans Pudding doesn't say '' NEVER '', which implies that the first time they met Sanji said to her that he wanted to marry her but couldn't.
But she only referring to the current situation, not before. Pudding: "And here I am just assuming that...."
Yes thank you for telling us the one thing deceptive and tricky people should never do. People who want to deceive others should never tell the victim they were assuming they will act/do a certain way/thing. Deceivers should never say a word that they were assuming anything from the target they want to trick imo.
Sanji notices she is in love with him after seeing how much she genuinely cares about him and how much she wants to marry him
Sanji: "You are my only savior right now"
After what he said and was displaying, to him, yes, she is his only ray of hope in the deep trench that he is in emotionally
Sanji:"If you don't really mind it being me then..."
THIS is another ringer. This proves that everything Pudding did and said in this meeting allowed Sanji to notice that she indeed loves him and wants to marry him. She does not want to say it directly because she became aware of how bad and messed up his situation is.
Sanji: "Tomorrow, Lets do it lets get married"
No analysis needed. GG.
Now keep in mind the thunder clapping and tragic situation of Luffy waiting for a guy who (supposedly) will not come creates a very ominous atmosphere. Now this is highly probable to indicate that something will go very wrong at the wedding (which is pretty obvious at this point tbh).
It has no correlation with Pudding being evil imo, as I have shown. If anything it sets the darker mood in which Sanji is falling deeper and deeper into despair so much so that he gave up on his crew and life and accepts the wedding with Pudding, which he has adamantly refused before for the sake of the same guy facing death outside.
Oda is trying to convey the darkness that Sanji is falling into and how Pudding is his "escape". Not literally, but emotionally. It could very well be that Sanji promises to come back for her in the future at the end of this arc (aka Kaya), since Big Mom's defeat has been brought up.
As for the mysterious third eye? Well we know Big Mom likes her diversity of races, so it is not out of the question to think there is a "three-eyed" tribe that she had kids with. Pudding's third eye could be just that, a physical feature with no special trait or power. Just a "abnormality" in her facial structure. Whether the "three-eyed tribe" posses some kind of trait or special power from that additional eye remains to be seen.
Now I am not throwing out the possibility that the eye could hold a mysterious power, that has already been well speculated numerous times. I just thought that I'd bring in another realistic possibility to the table to ponder about while we wait for the next chapter.

такое себе

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n0rm · 7 ноября 2016

к слову говоря тян в шляпе 100% должна быть убер сильной в куске (да и везде) демонами и ЧУДОВИЩАМИ называют только адски ебучех персонажей

не удивлюсь если она одна из сильнейших телок в куске

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Rapist · 7 ноября 2016

в русской версии её вообще призрачной женой кличут

n0rm · 7 ноября 2016

в русской версии её вообще призрачной женой кличут

пизда я заорал со смайлика

Wondervicce · 7 ноября 2016

в русской версии её вообще призрачной женой кличут

призрачная жена была из хуевого анлейта

n0rm · 7 ноября 2016

>вежливый киллер

Lissander · 7 ноября 2016

бережливый киллер ...

Wondervicce · 7 ноября 2016

тоже в гилос

фух, всего сутки считай до спойлеров

n0rm · 7 ноября 2016

хиатус на этой неделе, алё

Wondervicce · 7 ноября 2016

бля

В пятницу тогда поясню за работу фрукта фуджиторы

n0rm · 7 ноября 2016

хуя размечтался

LotA · 7 ноября 2016

Нарастил приличный слой уже

Раз еще неделю наращивать слой ци, то выражу своё аутистичное мнение насчет того, каким мрачным стал кусок. Никогда еще не было так БЕЗВЫХОДНО. Ода, верни приключения(и Джека(зачем?))!

n0rm · 7 ноября 2016

на сабаоди было помрачней

Kaktys · 7 ноября 2016

Бтв, это правда что ода в ответах на вопросы в новом томе косвенно подтвердит, что дофламинго драл виолу?

LordGalg · 8 ноября 2016

ну все держитесь - пудинг это и есть биг мам тема с зазеркальем поможет ее раскрыть, тип в зеркале будет видно настоящее лицо человека, поэтмоу она их и встретила вначале арки, мб она шликала на роджера и раз рейли сказал что луффи его копия решила проверить насколько но не впечатлилась наверно или истпытывает его силу етц хотя он на 1 месте теперь булет стоять, но раз луффи не идет на свадьбу то свадьба идет к нему - и когда он всех победит , то нафиг санджи и тп - подайте луфи к алтарю

потом прилетит зоро на верталете и всех спасет

n0rm · 8 ноября 2016

вообще говоря имеет смысл тот фпкт что маман была влюблена в роджера

белоус - приятель

шанкс - ученик

кайдо - соперник наверняка

мамку - лав интерест

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